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SPFL Resolution

Post by Jack Sparrow » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:02 pm

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Absolutely disgraceful turn of events by the SPFL. They are blatantly doing everything in their power to hand C****c the title and suffocate our efforts to stop this.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Jack Sparrow » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:07 pm

SPFL's statement on the matter:

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Jack Sparrow » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:08 pm

Timeline of correspondence between Rangers and SPFL (source = Mark Dingwall on FF)


Here is an accurate record of dialogue between Rangers and the SPFL board.

Stewart Robertson sent a copy of RFC resolution to Neil Doncaster ‪at 5.33pm on Wednesday‬.

This was acknowledged by ND ‪at 6.24pm‬ who said he would forward to the Board and be back in touch shortly

ND emailed back at 11.03 am yesterday to say that before the resolution could be circulated by the Board there needed to be a requisition by at least 3 clubs. There was no suggestion that there were any issues with the text.

James Blair spoke to Rod McKenzie at 1.43pm yesterday regarding the resolution. There was no suggestion of any issues with the text

RFC emailed the resolution to the SPFL at 2.50pm yesterday

SPFL acknowledged receipt shortly thereafter. No issues were raised with the text then or at any other time until we contacted them further.

JB was advised by SR late yesterday evening that the SPFL had suggested to Championship clubs that the resolution was not competent and wouldn’t be sent to members. They were being told this before the SPFL had communicated with us on the resolution.

JB emailed Rod McKenzie ‪at 10.17pm‬ asking if he could advise how the resolution might be amended to overcome any concerns the SPFL might have.

Rod McKenzie replied ‪at 10.51pm‬ saying he had forwarded to Neil and Iain Blair. He did not otherwise respond

JB emailed back ‪at 11.25 pm‬ saying it would be helpful to hear from him in advance of the board meeting scheduled for this morning. That didn’t occur

JB emailed this morning at 11.00am and then spoke to Rod McKenzie

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Jack Sparrow » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:14 pm

First the SPFL have waited overnight to inform us that the requisition needed to be made by at least 3 clubs. Doncaster either didn't know that or deliberately waited.

Then once our resolution was emailed at 2.50pm on Thursday 9/4/20, they have not made any contact with Rangers to advise us of any issues.

It came to Stewart Robertson's attention via 'Championship clubs' that the SPFL was telling them that our resolution wasn't competent.

James Blair then started contact with Rod McKenzie (Harper McLeod and SPFL solicitor) querying it and asking how it could be amended to get it in play... again he has basically ignored this and they've ignored us until after 11am Friday 10/4/20.

This is utterly shameful and I'm glad we're on the front foot re: this.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:24 pm

The club should make a time line of the events and get it made public in main stream media etc highlight the shambles that run our game.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by bigjobe » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:53 pm

The league should be declared finished as is. I don't give a flying fuck if it means 9 in a row for them.
The virus isn't going to be under control in the UK until the end of May. The players will need a couple of weeks at least to get match fit and then play the remaining games. Schedule in the transfer window etc and o just think it would be too much to ask
Ps. Can you imagine of we had been at the top of the league what sort of shite would be spouted in the media? On the media isn't it lovely to see ex mhanks like Dembele trolling us.. Real class act.
We are on a no win situation here so why not just say we refuse to play the remaining games of the season for safety reasons and get ourselves ready for next year?

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:45 pm

WE have been presented with evidence via a whistleblower that raises serious concerns surrounding the SPFL’s processes relating to its stewardship of the voting on the resolution presented to member Clubs.

Rangers’ Interim Chairman, Douglas Park, attempted to discuss this evidence with SPFL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, who initially refused to do so. The SPFL followed up that call with an e-mail, which we believe was a thinly disguised attempt to silence legitimate concerns.

Rangers will not be bullied into silence. We believe it is in the interests of all Scottish clubs and supporters that the evidence, which is alarming, be addressed as quickly as possible.

The voting debacle and the evidence we possess raise serious questions concerning the corporate governance of the SPFL.

Mr Park said: “The lack of leadership and responsibility from the SPFL as a members’ organisation has shocked me. If ever there was a time for complete openness and transparency, it is now. Crucial decisions are being made on the issues of promotion and relegation behind closed doors and without proper time for consideration or debate.

“The farcical conduct of this affair seems to me to bring the corporate governance and business operations of the SPFL into sharp focus. It is an example of an undemocratic culture, which has existed within the SPFL for far too long.

“As a member club, we are disturbed by the evidence that has been presented and feel there is no choice but to call for an independent investigation into this entire matter. Each member of the SPFL board has a duty to its members to ensure that such an investigation is instructed without delay.

“All we ask for is equality and respect. In the past few days, we have become alarmed at a seeming lack of even-handedness and fair play from the SPFL. This is surely unacceptable and, if substantiated, must be remedied.

“Other member clubs, who have seen the evidence we hold, share our concerns.

“We call for the suspension of the SPFL’s Chief Executive, Neil Doncaster and its legal adviser, Rod McKenzie while an independent investigation is conducted.”

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:41 pm

Rangers have the SPFL/SFA by the throat and aren’t for letting go. Feel a few resignations coming on Monday.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:04 pm

Mark wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:41 pm
Rangers have the SPFL/SFA by the throat and aren’t for letting go. Feel a few resignations coming on Monday.
Nothing will come of it Dundee will be made the scapegoat and the rest brushed under the carpet and we all know what what happens next.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:51 pm

BREAKING: SPFL claim they can't hand out prize money until season is called. They say Dundee pulled their 'no'vote on ending season and Rangers have not supplied any evidence of impropriety in a letter to all 42 clubs.


So there’s the SPFL actions today they are simply ramping up the pressure on clubs who need the money. Wouldn’t be surprised if the league is declared over tomorrow we all know how this goes. We have stood our ground but while they have the backing of near every club nothing will change

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by LiverGers » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:14 pm

So this will be yet another tainted title for C****c?

Nice to see them upholding a vote for sporting integrity.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:34 pm

So the SPFL have now changed direction and looking at league reconstruction so there will be no relegation. Unbelievable they have moved onto this without addressing the issues from the weekends mess.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by xander1873 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:57 pm

Watp wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:51 pm
BREAKING: SPFL claim they can't hand out prize money until season is called. They say Dundee pulled their 'no'vote on ending season and Rangers have not supplied any evidence of impropriety in a letter to all 42 clubs.


So there’s the SPFL actions today they are simply ramping up the pressure on clubs who need the money. Wouldn’t be surprised if the league is declared over tomorrow we all know how this goes. We have stood our ground but while they have the backing of near every club nothing will change
Take it to the court of arbitration for sport and if need be the law courts. If Rangers do have proof of impropriety and feel assured that this is the right course of action then take it all the way to the highest authority possible and at least every detail will be a matter of public record. However, and I sincerely hope this is not the case but if the evidence and its source is not as solid as the club would have us believe then we shouldn't be making any statements at all.

My opinion on this seasons is that C****c are 13 points clear (a fact that the manager and the players should well remember and be ashamed of), we are still to play them twice and we have a game in hand. This gives us a possible nine points which would bring the deficit to 4 points, again this is about what is possible no one can make decisions regarding titles etc based upon what is probable. So we could find ourselves within 4 points of C****c based solely on what is in our own hands to achieve.

You can't call a championship were a couple of losses or a loss and a draw could see both clubs equal on points. If we had carried our form into the second half of the season and found ourselves four points clear when this happened, would C****c and all the pundits believe it would be fair to end their attempt at 10 in a row, I don't thinks so because if I'm honest I think it would have been unfair and wrong.

If the league is to be abandoned then it should be voided with no titles, no promotion and no relegation. All monies due into each division should not be given based upon current league position, rather all monies for each division should be split equally across the division. The top four teams or those within contention based upon current points should play each other prior to the start of next season in a knockout tournament over two weeks to decide who gets European places(Champions League and Europa).

Also because it has been voided then C****c will stay on 8 in a row and will attempt 9 next season.
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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:54 am

RANGERS Football Club contract with Ladbrokes as a provider of in-stadia betting services will come to an end in advance of next Season 2020/2021.

Director of Commercial & Marketing, James Bisgrove, commented “Following a number of supporter enquiries over the Easter weekend, we can confirm the arrangement with Ladbrokes, who provide betting facilities at Ibrox stadium, will not continue next season.”

In anticipation of our 150th anniversary, Rangers will continue to grow its Commercial Partnerships programme, both domestically and internationally.


Brilliant from the club again still can’t help but feel it will all amount to nothing

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by PaulWill » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am

We've said we have proof of wrong-doing and corruption, yet so far have not provided it. It could be we're still running through it with lawyers, but ideally this needs outing before the SPFL push this vote through to suit their own agenda. Rumours are that Dundee are now set to vote in favour, which means the proposal will be carried.

If, after all this, we don't actually have sufficient proof to force people out of their positions, we are going to be left looking very stupid indeed. I hope to God that what we have is watertight.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:54 am

PaulWill wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am
We've said we have proof of wrong-doing and corruption, yet so far have not provided it. It could be we're still running through it with lawyers, but ideally this needs outing before the SPFL push this vote through to suit their own agenda. Rumours are that Dundee are now set to vote in favour, which means the proposal will be carried.

If, after all this, we don't actually have sufficient proof to force people out of their positions, we are going to be left looking very stupid indeed. I hope to God that what we have is watertight.
Have to agree we seem to be sitting on what we have actually thought Doncaster would be suspended by now if they feared we definitely had something water tight.
Park is just days into his role as chairman hope he’s not just trying to make his presence felt and get the fans backing with this.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:48 am

PaulWill wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am
We've said we have proof of wrong-doing and corruption, yet so far have not provided it. It could be we're still running through it with lawyers, but ideally this needs outing before the SPFL push this vote through to suit their own agenda. Rumours are that Dundee are now set to vote in favour, which means the proposal will be carried.

If, after all this, we don't actually have sufficient proof to force people out of their positions, we are going to be left looking very stupid indeed. I hope to God that what we have is watertight.
Got to keep your cards close. We’ve asked for an independent review and have said we will prove the evidence to who ever does the review. If we show our cards now it gives them time to build their story round the evidence. Just look at how they’ve conducted themselves around the initial Dundee vote. They’ve chopped and changed story as different people have challenged them. From never receiving the vote to maybe we did but it was after the second email so on so forth.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by PaulWill » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:12 am

The problem is, there's no way the spfl are going to agree to an independent review. They now have the votes they originally wanted - as far as they're concerned, they will just carry on in the hope that all of this blows over. We're going to have to force this, because no one else will. Partick Thistle (now relegated, only two points behind the team above with a game in hand and still something like 8 games to play) have muttered about legal action, but do they really have the money to go to court?

To offer restructuring as a sweetener and then appoint the two clubs who would be relegated from the Premier League to oversee it, is one of the most bizzare things I've ever seen in football. They must honestly think we're all stupid and that we won't see what their game is.

It's still entirely possible that UEFA will rule over the top leagues in Europe and declare them null and void, but we have to tackle the spfl over this. The problem is, though the whole voting process has been riddled with incompetence, incompetence is not a crime. I think we're going to have to take legal action, but can obviously only do that if we can prove illegality.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:37 am

The biggest problem is we have very little to no backing from other clubs. When this was all coming out in public view pundits where claiming it stinks etc but yet only a couple clubs actually spoke up on it the likes of the sheep,Hibs, etc nothing but pure silence

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:31 am

PaulWill wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:12 am
The problem is, there's no way the spfl are going to agree to an independent review. They now have the votes they originally wanted - as far as they're concerned, they will just carry on in the hope that all of this blows over. We're going to have to force this, because no one else will. Partick Thistle (now relegated, only two points behind the team above with a game in hand and still something like 8 games to play) have muttered about legal action, but do they really have the money to go to court?

To offer restructuring as a sweetener and then appoint the two clubs who would be relegated from the Premier League to oversee it, is one of the most bizzare things I've ever seen in football. They must honestly think we're all stupid and that we won't see what their game is.

It's still entirely possible that UEFA will rule over the top leagues in Europe and declare them null and void, but we have to tackle the spfl over this. The problem is, though the whole voting process has been riddled with incompetence, incompetence is not a crime. I think we're going to have to take legal action, but can obviously only do that if we can prove illegality.
You honestly couldn’t write it. Hand C****c the title and silence Hearts by putting them in charge of reconstruction talks which would stop them going down. This in turn will silence Partick as well as they’ll ultimately stay up thanks to reconstruction.

There was no way C****c would risk UEFA going down the null and void route. The way SPFL have done Celtics bidding is pathetic. One agenda and happy to bully other teams and ensure no other proposal is put forward

Be interesting to see now what UEFAs take is going to be. SPFL have already announced Dundee Utd are promoted so if UEFA decide to overrule them over the calling of the league they’ll be relying on reconstruction. On top of that UEFA have already said calling leagues early may prevent winners playing in CL/EL next year. That will be a big financial loss to both C****c and ourselves but arguably more so to them as their financial model is heavily reliant on European money and a big player sale each year to keep the figures right.

We must continue to get in about those in charge of the SPFL and challenge every wrong step. C****c/Lawwel’s influence on the SPFL must also be challenged at every opportunity.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:53 am

We fucked the title ourselves by not turning up since the winter break we need to win trophies on the park.
What we do need to keep doing here is fighting to get Doncaster and co out of power and as much as the vote went through they/he is there for the taking over his shambles of this all.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:08 am

Gerrard the SPFL look an absolute mess and the SPFL leader needs to allow an independent investigation

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:34 pm

Be interesting to hear how they expect a restructure to work. Play each other home and away then a split?

What will Sky think considering they’ve just paid for a deal which would involve 4 old firm games.

Will teams who clearly value money above all else be ready to share prize money split between even more teams? Will bottom 6 teams be happy giving up 1 of 2 home fixtures against the Old Firm where they are happy for away fans to fill the majority of the stadium?

Really not seeing the appeal or benefit of adding another 2 teams to the league.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Watp » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:54 pm

Apparently it’s only a temporary restructure for next season only couldn’t make it up

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Jack Sparrow » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:29 am

Watp wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:54 pm
Apparently it’s only a temporary restructure for next season only couldn’t make it up
If that's true it's an absolute disgrace and makes us even more farcical and a laughing stock of world football.

Reconstruct to avoid relegating teams.......then what? Relegate 4 next season and promote 2? Do away with the playoffs? No promotion?

And do we just ditch 2 teams out the bottom division?

This should be done and done right, which is what Rangers were arguing for in the first place. Now we have had a corrupt vote that meant payments were aligned to declared league placings, an immediate need for reconstruction to appease the teams that were being affected and the integrity of the people running the game called into serious question. Shambles doesn't even come close.

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by xander1873 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:04 pm

To be honest I am tired of Scottish Football, to fight our way back up the leagues to be treated like this and have corrupt officials hand the league to them. Now don't get me wrong we would have had a stronger case if our team hadn't imploded and fell 13 points behind in a couple of months. However, I'm at the point where I want our board to be speaking to the English FA or lower league authorities and see what would be the chances of us joining the English lower divisions and working our way up, I don't care if we need to start 7 or 8 leagues below the premiership so long as we would have the right to enter the top division and play in Europe etc.

If we were told we could do that then I would love for us to just resign from Scottish Football and register with the English FA for membership.
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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Sun May 03, 2020 12:42 pm

Rangers set to reveal the evidence in the next few days.

Media have already outed the SPFL lie that they couldn’t advance money after producing evidence from 2017 that they advanced £300k to Motherwell and Partick.

SPFL still trying to push the narrative that all is well and that any attempt to investigate would merely cost more and create issues for the clubs... so please don’t do it...

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by bigjobe » Mon May 04, 2020 6:55 pm

We can't win here. If we let it go then our fans will be pissed off and if we keep pushing we are seen as being bad losers.
don't know why they just can't end the season without giving the title while allowing for the current league standings as European qualification

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Re: SPFL Resolution

Post by Mark » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:03 pm

So now that it’s confirmed that league re construction won’t take place Hearts are finally going to seek legal action against the ending of the league prematurely. With apparent legal wins in France and Belgium for the same situation this could be interesting for the SPFL board.

That said I’m struggling to sympathise with Hearts as much as I did in the beginning. Ann Budge was happy to get into bed with the SPFL which reconstruction looked like a possibility to stay in the top flight. Legal action should have been taken at the time if they felt wrong done by, not once the other alternatives were exhausted.

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